Some Advice for the Rich from the Poor

(The Reactions)

In August of 2010 I invited my MySpace friends to read my essay "Some Advice for the Rich from the Poor." This was the tease I used:

"I have made extreme lifestyle choices, and this essay comes directly out of that experience, so I expect it will offend some people--maybe you. But I didn't write the essay to attack people, or their choices; only to present a way of living that few seem to entertain as an alternative. Click this title if you want to read it: "Some Advice for the Rich from the Poor." (Reading time: 4.5 to 5 minutes.)"

Their reactions to the piece and my responses qualified some of the essay's points in important ways. For that reason I have reproduced those exchanges here.



People with large families to support do not have an option of living in a two bedroom apartment in the ghetto.

John Dishwasher

Yeah, I know. That idea is more for people who don't yet have responsibilities like the one's you mention. The essay is meant more to point out an alternative than it is to say everyone should be living that alternative. But thanks for nailing me on that point. I expected it from someone. You are the first, but you probably won't be the last. Peace.


i concurr with your essay. however, get a visectomy now! all your ascersions are voided when you have children. take my advice: don't trust that she is going to take her pill.

John Dishwasher

Yeah, Stegner just got me on that point to (though without the medical advice). As I said to him, I know kids change everything. Some of the principles still might apply though. I mean, living as simply as possible. But maybe that's naive. You can bust my balls if it is. Peace.


your priciples still apply, it's just that your resolve and execution have to get more and more presice exponentially with each additional kid. and, this super-human resolve has to bemonstrated by both parents. i know a guy with one kid. he and his wife get overwhelmed by the demand and stress imposed on them by one kid. they aren't young and driven by impulse and materialism, either. they try to maintain the life that you suggest. they live in the back of a store that they sell odds and ends out of to make a living. when they need to, one of them will work a simple job, but the confined living and uncertainty of the future get them trapped. mind you, they have the best of situations. both of them can hit up their parents for money any time that they want to put up with a little condescension. they still don't know what it is to have their back totally against the wall while they are responsible for another person's life and wellbeing (developmental, emotional, educational, spiritual, nutritional). two kids would destroy them utterly.

John Dishwasher

That's quite a story. I admire them. I'm not sure I could do that, really. One of the reasons I don't have kids is because I don't think I could find that middle ground, the feeling of responsibility would crush me. That kid they're raising will probably be an exceptional person. Thanks for telling me about that. I think what parents like that are doing is much more impressive than what I am doing. See you around.

John Dishwasher

Hi Dan! You sent me something good in a message but I couldn't read it because myspace went screwy and won't let me open it. Anyway, it looks complimentary so I'm sending you this to thank you. I don't want you to think I ignored you like a heel. If it's long and you want to resend it I'm curious about your opinion or feedback on my story/essay. This happened to Sophia, too. And some others. But I could get into some of those messages through my email. It seems to be all better now. Later, man. Peace.


John. I did send you a compliment. I said in the first message that you have a great talent for writing and story telling. Your story was about keeping life simple by working few hours- at least enough to pay the rent. I enjoyed reading it as well as your other stuff. You have a gift, or you crafted your talent well. I guess it's about finding happiness in simplicity, and staying away from the financial burdens that expensive house taxes and cars payments and insurance will bring you. I'm all for that, and do it. I will not own a car I have to make payments on. I have a question however. What would one do for medical insurance and child rearing? That can be a stress for one who wants family and children. The life you speak of sounds great for couples who do not want or have children, but kids bring a whole new mindset to the desire for security which I think brings on the struggle for a house to own and keep. Your thoughts?

John Dishwasher

Yeah, Dan. You put your finger right on it. Having children changes everything. First, the lifestyle described in the essay really suits people who haven't yet come into that kind of obligation. I myself do not have children (even though I love kids) and this is one of the reasons. I'm pretty sure I would want to or have to give up this extreme kind of life. But, I think the principles driving the ideas in the essay could still be applied to a life with children. What the essay is about, in principle, is not letting the quest for "money" and the superfluous things it can get you dictate your life. The idea is to strip down life to only the things you truly need. Define how much it costs to provide those needs. And then work only as much as required to make that amount of money. This gets tricky, though. Because when you try to prepare for college, or sickness, one is really applying these ideas at a different order of magnitude. But it can still be done. Does one have to drive a new car just because you have kids? Does one have to live in an expensive neighborhood just because you have kids? There are a lot of parents, that if they applied these principles, would have more time for their art and....their kids! I hope this isn't a naive answer.

I want to emphasize that what I'm doing in the essay is just presenting an alternative that isn't talked about that much. It is not a judgment on the choices people make. To be a writer I have to live like this. Writing makes no money so I have to make money some other way and still have time to write. I'm not saying everyone should live like me. There are people who really love occupations that happen to also make a lot of money. I have no problem with them making that money. Also, I have worked with people who don't necessarily like what they do, but they love the fact they are doing it for their kids! Their kids are their art.

In terms of health insurance, from the time I went off my parents health insurance in my early twenties, until I was in my early forties I did not have health insurance. If I had paid that one to two hundred dollars a month in insurance, you would have to remove most of the pieces on my website. They would not exist. I would never tell people: "Dont' have insurance." But I was in a position where I had to choose: Do I want to insure my health or do I want to write? I can't have both. If I can't write I may as well not be alive anyway, so I took the chance...for a long time. About a year ago my wife got a job with good benefits. We could afford for me to be insured and I could keep writing so I went on the plan. I went for twenty years without health insurance. It was a gamble, but it was worth it.

Thanks for the questions. You asked a couple that haven't been asked yet so I spent some time on them. Peace.


I finally read your essay. Sorry for taking so long, and thank you for sharing.

I have to say that your lifestyle is very exemplary. If many people are very content and simple, we would have more peace. However, please understand that your lifestyle cannot be for anyone, especially who are married and have children. The amount you made will not be enough to support the children. Several months ago, I saw a decent family that was homeless because of the economy. They moved somewhere to San Diego CA and live on a street. They have good manner and clean clothes. But the parents did not have money to provide shelter and food for their teenagers. That's very hard. And it is very humble to give them some food and drinks. I would have been in their situation if I got fired.

Also, we should be thankful to those who are workaholics and give us jobs. (Not that we approve their lifestyle or mentality). But without them, we will not have jobs. Society are very inter-connected.


John Dishwasher

Thanks for the reply. You are not the first to point this out to me. It is a very important point and one I was aware of even as I was revising the essay. But I really wanted to make my point strongly so I included as few qualifications as possible. Basically I didn't want to pull my punches.

As you and others have said this lifestyle isn't really practical if children are involved. And the essay is really geared toward people who have not yet come into that kind of obligation. I'm not trying to convince everyone who reads this to live like me. I'm just trying to point it out as a feasible option for people who are considering their options. That said, I think the principles of the essay can stand to a degree even if you have children. One does not have to drive a really expensive car just because one can afford one. One does not have to live in La Jolla even they can afford it. One can drive an old Honda and save a lot of money. And there are nice less expensive places in Chula Vista where I lived for a couple years. Living there saves a lot of money. With that money one saves one would have more time to be a human being, or....more time for their kids. I know this is easier said by me than done by parents. And I will be the first to admit there may be some naivete in this because I'm not a parent and I haven't felt the pressures parents feel. One guy sent me back a description of one set of parents who were actually trying to live like me, with a child. It sounded pretty harrowing.

You raise another important point at the end of your response when you mention workaholics. In my initial message to you I tried to make it clear that I'm not judging other people's choices, and I want to reiterate that. I want to be a writer. That's my art. For me to write I have to live like this. There are other people, however, who's art is actually a lucrative occupation. Say medicine or something. When they practice their art they are going to make a lot of money. I have no problem with that. And I have no problem with them working 70 hours a week. The essay is really talking about people who work that much in jobs they hate. I'm just saying they don't have to work that way. I'm just saying they can probably live more cheaply and find time for their soul. I actually clock quite a few hours a week if you add up the time I spend working as a janitor and the time I spend on my writing. :)

I really appreciate your thoughtful response, Howard. I only notify my friends of a new piece every four months or so, so never feel obligated to read something from me immediately. I don't want to become yet another responsibility for people. The next piece won't be up until December, for example. But it's a funny one. Peace, my friend.


Loved the essay. I am raising three daughters on 893.00 a month, one of which is disabled. Thanks John...

John Dishwasher

Wow. And I thought I was economical. I could probably learn a thing or two from you. :) Thanks for the encouragement. Stay strong.


nice yo, i work 60 to 90 hrs a week on the road an i try to find happieness in the little things i have time for but the money makes no diffrence, at the end of my days, and the happieness is hard to find sometimes, dont drive a car dont do much really, but read and play guitar, anyway your odd jobs and love for makin somethin out of life that seems implausible, really helps with the perspective everyone should have a look at.

I plan on writing a few excerpts to a novel yet in the making, thanks

John Dishwasher

Thanks, Adrien. Nice to hear from you. Keep on keepin' on.


I work between 10 and 30 hours a week as (ironic) a dishwasher. With my extra time I'm getting an education. With my education, I will work more hours for more money--but that isn't why I'm getting it. I've had 8 jobs in my life. Some part-time, some full-time. I could have kept those jobs, said "fuck an education" and lived like you, and I could have been content with it. But the issue I had with all those jobs is that I wasn't doing shit. I wasn't improving myself, I wasn't improving the world, I wasn't helping people, I wasn't feeling fulfilled. I agree with your sentiment that we could all be happier with less, but as a teacher I feel I will be happier as a person knowing the impact of my profession is far greater and thus more personally rewarding than any impact I made as a dishwasher, store clerk, or telephone solicitor.

John Dishwasher

Yes, I hear what you are saying one hundred percent. I have the same feeling you do about contribution. Your calling is to teach so you become a teacher and that's how you contribute. For me though my calling is writing, and so the only way I can contribute is by being a dishwasher (janitor, right now) part-time, and using the rest of my time for writing. I do not mean to say in the essay that everyone should live like me. What I am saying is that if you are in a position where you are sacrificing your calling because of money: You don't have to sacrifice it for money. You can do this. Here is an alternative. There are people who have callings who makes whopping loads of cash by doing it. I have no problem with that.

The impact you can make as a teacher is impossible to quantify but it is definitely huge. I actually do have an education. And I actually taught sixth grade myself for one year. But in that year I realized I was cheating the children a little because it wasn't really my calling. This realization was one of the many things that pushed me into the life I've led since then.

It sounds like you know what you're about and you're on track. Fulfillment is as much in the journey as it is in arriving. When it gets rough sometimes it's easy to forget that. You're probably working pretty hard to make all this happen in your life. That's a satisfying feeling too. I wish you well. Enjoy the ride.


OMG! That was EXCELLENT! You BET I will share that URL in my groups. There is one in particular with a whiney "Christian" woman who keeps asking for prayer for her HUSBAND to find a job! (Not HER - oh noooo). He's had offers, but they aren't as much as the unemployment check!!! She likes to bake and cook, and I suggested that she could cater - or even go door to door selling home made goodies - OR online! But, nope - excuses, excuses!

Heck, I'm not really physically able to take care of my yard, and my housework isn't as good as I'd like it to be. If someone came to the door wanting a job, I'd HIRE them! My windows sure need washing! I can mow the HUGE yard, but, I need weeds cut, and don't have the strength to do much. (Had a heart attack, and it slowed me down.)

I'm so grateful that I spend 25 years getting my butt out of bed, rain, shine snow to go to work doing what I loved - working with kids and books (then computers in the later years) as a school librarian. So, now I am retired and don't need to worry about job security.

Love to you, John! (Beautiful writing!)

John Dishwasher

I finally got your message to open. Anyway, yeah, a lot of Americans are spoiled like that woman you are talking about. Part of what encouraged me to make the choices I have made was traveling in Mexico. In the poorer areas you see very honorable people who really want to work but don't have the same opportunities we have. To have any job there is prestigious. It doesn't matter what kind. And so the guy sweeping up garbage in the plaza does it with pride. I learned from them how spoiled we are. And how any job you do is given value by the fact you are doing it. This helped me to break through those barriers that woman's husband feels about working in McDonalds etc. They didn't fall easily. And in the beginning when I first stepped out of the world of "prestige seeking" and took the first low-paying job I could find it took a very conscious effort. After sixteen years of that though it's all gone. I just started a new part-time job as a janitor in a hosptial. Even though I'm working around RNs and MDs I do not feel any pinch of shame or self-consciousness as a 40 something year old man at the bottom of that totem pole.

Nice to talk to you. Take care of yourself. I had several people ask permission to use my essay in different places so I changed all the copyright statements on my website to creative commons licenses. So anyone can use it anywhere. I've been thinking about that for months. Those several requests nudged me into it. It felt good to finally really give it all away. Peace.


I read that story about what your life is like, and it was interesting. You're saying that you have plenty of time to deal with outside your job, more than that of high-paying people with busier schedules. Thanks for sharing that story. By the way, I don't have aspirations to be super rich, either.

John Dishwasher

Thanks for the feedback, Ray. I feel sometimes like I'm all alone with my philosophy, but not today. I've had several people respond and tell me they are doing something similar. I guess we're just few and far between. Peace.

Darth Solo

That's fuckin' great! And very well written.


I too have made what some consider to be "extreme lifestyle choices", and I too love the extra time it affords me. People ask me about the little amount of money I make, and I tell them my life isn't about being able to afford nicer stuff - it's about reducing expenses, and thus reducing my dependency on money. They are trapped in a cage that someone else designed, and they themselves customized to fit their personal style. And they may never see it...until it's too late.


thanks for sharing that. I'm gonna post it up on my Facebook wall, since no one really uses this site anymore.

John Dishwasher

I wrote that essay because I thought I was doing something exceptional. But both you and another guy have responded saying you're doing something similar. Man, life is sweet when you cut down expenses and make time to just live and be a human being. It is sweet. I also wrote it because it frustrates me to see people basically suffering in that "cage" you're talking about. Maybe someone will read it off your wall and join us in the bliss of lean living. Thanks Heck. And I finally broke back into my facebook account. Took me forever. I'll try to find you and friend you. Peace.


Excellent John!

I will read more. I do enjoy things that are philosophical too - so I won't forget to find more from you.

Much of what you say I understand is true. The man in my life who used to earn $50,000 a year won't go apply for a job in McDonald's even after saying he would "do anything" even sweep floors if he had to. I earn $22,000 a year and am quite happy. I do see how much it costs just to maintain a car and I have always owned my cars out right - no monthly payment cause I saved and bought one.

I do go 30 minutes away to work, but Human Services is where I've been for a long time (and I'm very happy caring for these people I look after), having started off in my work life as a certified nursing assistant. Yes, we could all work and live much more simply and happily if we really looked into doing this. Many Americans are very, very spoiled. I've been spoiled a bit here and there too - but it becomes like an addiction. "Oooh, heading out to eat! Someone's gonna cook dinner and I don't have to clean dishes!" Yep, I know.

So anyway. I'd love to share your link and story. Can I share the entire story with others?

Blessings my friend. Glad to know you.

John Dishwasher

Thanks for that response. You are welcome to share my essay with anyone. You're right. It's hard to maintain this attitude. I actually think it's easier when you have less money because the temptations for eating out and impulse buys are overruled by reality. Honestly, if I had a lot of money I don't know if I could keep it up. But having a reason to live like this (my writing) makes it easier. Hey, I just started a part-time job as a janitor in a hospital. I'm working around the same crowd you are. You guys work really hard. Nurses and nursing assistants have to be some of the hardest working people out there. Stay strong. Thanks for the positive comments. Peace. :)


I wanted to take a moment to say I enjoyed your essay. Indeed, our society is much too concerned with the endless rat-race that is wealth procurement and "living well." You and people like you prove to the ignorant masses every day that money does not buy happiness, and that much of our happiness is robbed by the responsibilities we assume to earn said money.

I'm guessing you sent out your email as a mass message, so also wanted it to be known that I had a little laugh when you said your essay might offend! I am all too familiar with what it is to be looking up from the bottom; earning bottom-dollar, living in apartments my whole life, eating simple meals, not spending. That is not to say I have not or am not chasing my own dream, but in the race to greater means, I have chosen a vocation that would be of greater value (to me) than peasant's work.

To me, the hours that are stolen, or the hours that I willingly give away to become a teacher is well-worth the excessive hours I will work in such a profession, inspiring young people to find their own happiness, to utilize their minds and potentials in beneficial ways. All those good books had to be written by someone, and in my mind, I must do my part in passing on vital information, or at least try to make it accessible/visible to others. Your description of existence reminds me much of the wandering ascetics of the East. Perhaps you're like a solitary mediator, who has escaped the created problems we choose for ourselves for a more reasonable solution. There is much to be said in not desiring a whole new group of problems that complicate one's life, choosing to be a slave to economics, to life-style choices. Whatever makes you happy and whole...this above all: to thine own self be true. Thanks for the writing.

John Dishwasher

Thanks for that thoughtful response. I actually don't know how to send out a mass message on myspace so I'm clicking through all my friends one at a time. It sounds to me like you are living much like me and for the same reasons. And knowing this encourages me as much as it seems to encourage you. The medium we are using may be a little different but where we are going and why is equivalent. I've always thought that what I'm about would appeal most to people who have not yet been "trapped" by the underlying assumptions that society feeds us, assumptions that many don't even realize are there. My audience is people like you and like the young people you work with. What you are doing could not be more important. Helping a young person find what they're about, and encouraging them to hold on to it for a lifetime is tantamount to saving a soul, I think. Your comments on both my God and Humans essay and this essay are a great encouragement to me. It feels good to know I'm encouraging you, too. Peace.


That was awesome! I am really looking forward to reading the others as time permits.

and yeah I'm one of those working 60 hours a week and never seeming able to make ends meet. so I will testify to the truth of what you say

John Dishwasher

Thanks for the compliment. Hang in there, bro.


Very good! I think alot of people will relate to this piece and benefit from it as well my friend. Very well written. May the Lord bless you and Keep you,

John Dishwasher

Thanks, Glinda, for the encouragement. Sometimes I feel all alone with this philosophy, but the response I got from this piece put that feeling away for awhile. There are a lot of people out there living variations of this idea. It's just not something you hear about in popular media, I guess. One guy basically said my argument would help him defend his own way of living to the people around him. All of this makes me feel really good. Thanks again for the encouragement. Peace. Peace.

John Dishwasher

(For the record: I do not believe there is a small cabal of rich men in a shadowy room somewhere controlling the fate of everyone on the planet. However, I can frame what I do believe into this kind of argument for the sake of conversation. That is what happens here:)


John I completely understand the argument your trying to make here. As a matter of fact, I only work 25 hours a week at the most. So far this week I only put in 6 hours because I got caught up in science experiment of mine. I too live off of around $10,000 a year. I havent done it as long as you though. I also have the benefit of a cheap rent because I live in my parents house. The difference between you and me maybe, is I would like a better job and more money and still have time to enjoy it. There are a few things I think you should take note of though. Not everyone can live the way you described. For example, most anyone in a rural area. The lifestyle you describe is really only achievable in city or more urban area. This is mainly because of the cost of transportation. Things are further apart in rural areas and there are less jobs. What I am saying is not everyone can simply choose that lifestyle. Sure some dont consider it as an option. Most are forced out of neccesity. I also think you should take a little bit more pause about the economy. Your lack of concern, concerns me. The collapse of the dollar is inevitable and it is coming soon. The number one trends forcaster in the world predicts its one year away. If you are not prepared and living day to day, or even week to week, you will most likely be dead in ten days within the mass choas in a city. The Federal Reserve, which is a private organization owned by international bankers with no alligience to this country whatsoever, is the biggest ponzi scheme in the history of the world. Please watch this video and attempt to understand this scam and where it inevitably will lead to.

John Dishwasher

Wow. Thanks for the feedback. Your the third person who's sent me a message saying they're doing more or less what I'm doing. Sometimes I feel like I'm all alone. Now I don't feel that way as much. Yes, I'm quite aware of the limitations of how I live. Everytime I move, I have to consider if there are jobs in the city I'm going to, and what kind of jobs. I lived in rural Vermont for awhile and it was a tough place for me to find work. The fact I was an outsider made it harder and I ended up in like the worst job in town. And I couldn't really leave it for two years because there wasn't much else there. (KFC). But it always seems to work out. Or even weirder. I lived in LA for six months. Almost impossible to get a kitchen job there because they're all taken by people who can't speak English. I wasn't mad, you know. Just surprised. I can't find a kitchen job in LA? Crazy. So, yeah, it's tricky sometimes. But every time it has worked out and that's what gave me the balls to be so forceful about it in the essay. Another thing someone else mentioned was the fact you can't really do what I do with a family. This is very true. And it's why I don't have one. I don't think there's anything wrong with making more money in principle. I think you can have a better paying job and still live my philosophy. It's just that the better the pay, the more the baggage. You gotta have better clothes and a nicer car and worry about what people are saying and thinking about you. I wish you good luck in finding that balance. And I think people actually do it. I'll watch the video. If it gets to the point though that people like me are starving, some serious shit will probably go down. A lot of people I've worked with have nothing to lose. You empty their belly too and it's gonna get scary.


yes that is why the cites will become giant prisons or concentration camps if one of the many things that could go wrong do on the political or economic spectrum. The only thing on the news if you even get it, will be people killing eachother. People will plead and demand the government do something. Send the National Gaurd. Send the army, just restore order, and give us food will be the general mood. They will try to make you demand your own ensalvement. This mess has been manufactured and they own the news! I know how crazy this may sound. Ill try to make it simple. The dollar is just a piece of paper with ink on it. Its printed out of thin air and backed by nothing at all. It used to be backed by gold and silver and issued by the government, not a private company of international bankers that want to make money. The Fed has a monopoly on the currency here and can use that to munipulate the market and get rich off of stocks from insider tading.

Economic control is powerful. We have a fiat currency and there is not one fiat currency in the known history of man that didnt implode. It just doesnt work. It has to implode eventually. I look around and the see the signs. The plan is to set up this economic control all over the planet. To do this they need a global collapse of markets for a reason to bring in a new currency to further consilidate their control and set up a global government to enforce the new rules. Hyperinflation of the dollar would do this and it is already starting to happen. Once the ball gets going their is no stopping it. With society in complete chaos they think no one will stand in their way. They will be free to create their own view of order out of the chaos. You have been warned. I can show you the door but you have to walk through it.

John Dishwasher

But won't they lose a lot of money during all this? Your idea serves the idea of a conspiratorial quest for power, but by doing so it undercuts their quest for money. If the masses are starving and killing each other how are they going to be their customers? Just wonderin. :)


No, they wont lose money. They already have control of 99% of it world wide, being the only ones allowed to print it. Iran and Cuba are examples of countries without a central bank and free from their economic control in that sense, but look at the political situation they suffer because of it. International bankers make the most money when nations are in debt to them. Nothing causes massive amounts of spending and large debt like war. The purpose of this is a global war so they can rebuild the planet after everyone is done killing eachother. They dont need 6 billion people to serve them. Thats just more risk for an uprising. Cull the herd. Dumb down and domesticate the obediant ones and get rid of the rest. They want to collapse world markets to get that extra 1% economic control, then trick the world into letting them create a personal army to enforce new global laws that know no boundaries and serve only to keep their grip on power. Here is a telling qoute from Albert Pike, a very famous freemason, from 1871 before the first world war...

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions. The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Now here is one from David Rockefeller's memoirs published in 2001... "For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

They are now openly admitting their plans for a New World Order very arrogantly. They think that their plans are so far advanced that their is nothing that can stop them at this point. The few that see it will jump on board or face excommunication by their peers or even death. How do I know all of this? You could call me illimunated one. I am deep into the occult and know much more than the average man about secret societies, ancient orders, brotherhoods, and the secret origins of man. I know their symbols, philosophies, and were to go to pledge my loyalty and join them. I couldnt sleep at night if I did that. Ill leave you with a collection of qoutes from eugenicists who currently hold power...

John Dishwasher

That's some pretty heavy stuff. I read your whole message and watched that video. Those are some pretty good arguments for dropping out. I'm glad I'm under their radar.


How sure are you that you're under their radar? I know there is a movie coming out about the humbel beginings of the creator of facebook, but its a bunch of lies. It was created in conjunction with the cia as a information gathering source. People update their status and list so much personal info that a thorough pyscological profile can be created. Myspace isnt so bad but its been breached as well. The US government created the internet. State of the art artificial intelligence programs could do cross references of anything you have ever googled (another cia asset) and search key words and phrases from your emails to predict how you would react to the "Declaration of Martial Law" in America.

This video is a compilation of Unisys videos directly from their own website, as well as testimony of Ptech whistleblower. The security business is booming. This company looks BIG. Millionairs, big corporations, and governments are its clientel. Watch the cameras transform your cities workers. I swear to you, they refer to citizens in the vid as workers and its all about optimum effeciency from them! The corporate vision of the world tommorow...

What Im saying is you are being tracked and recorded on the web at the very least. Your not in any danger though. A computer simply catagorizes you as to how much you are worth to them in the transitional period to their utopia. You would be considered no threat, but to informed. So, if possible you need to be imprisoned or killed when shit hits the fan. You will know when shit hits the fan. They are not as powerful as they want you to think they are. Just strive to find the truth and keep yourself informed. Your going to want to make an emergency plan to quickly get out of the city if you still want to stay in one. I mean QUICKLY. Here is a video that will help explain it all better for you...

John Dishwasher

Check this out. I put an ad on myspace to promote my "god and humans" essay. It's working pretty good so I put one on facebook. (It's not working at all because clicks are a lot more expensive over there). I also have a fan page on facebook that has three stories to attract some readers: "The Brown Bag" "The Man Who Fell Off the Edge of the World" and "Revolt of the Zoo Animals." Two days after the ad on facebook went live, suddenly "Revolt" disappeared from my fan page (after being there unbothered for nine months). Everything else was normal. Also, though on the wall it was gone, down in the left corner, in the "links" box it was still there. If I clicked that link I got a sort of "not available" page even though you could click to the story from anywhere else on the web. It might have been a snafu, but I'm pretty sure it was being reviewed for content. That's really interesting because there is no profanity in that story, no sexual content and no graphic violence. The problem they had with it had to be either (1) it has an unhappy ending which maybe isn't in the "spirit" of facebook, or (2) they didn't like it's philosophy. In the story the zoo animals are "us." And the human zookeepers they are revolting against are "society." The animals revolt because they discover they only live for the sake of humans, or, in other words, we only live for the sake of society. It is a story about humans breaking free of the society that has tamed us and that tends us, and living for their own sake. In the end the animals fail and in the last scene it is confirmed that, indeed, they only exist for the sake of humans. The story is meant to be a provocation to make people ask themselves who they are living for, for themselves, or for society. Maybe facebook just doesn't want people feeling disturbed while on facebook, but the fact they reviewed that story in particular gave me a big brother feeling. It reappeared on the page a couple of weeks later.


In my opinion it is reason number 2. Sounds like a cool story. Im not surprised. Are you? I dont think facebook likes the message of your story. Your story reminds me of animal farm. This incident you had with facebook reminds of 1984. Both those books were written by the same man. Did you get a chance to watch all the videos? Zietgeist is the most important really. Its well put together and good for someone just begining to understand how deep this really goes. That movie only scratches the surface.

John Dishwasher

The details in all those videos are persuasive. The only thing I have a problem with with these theories is what seems to me a basic flaw in the premise. Look, they need us. They can have all the wealth and power in the world but it doesn't mean anything if we are not working and producing. Without us there is no one to build and fuel their yachts. There is no one to mash their caviar. There is no one to drive their car and manufacture their toilet paper. It doesn't mean anything to have all the money made or control it through interest if we are not playing along. I think the most logical thing to do in that case is to convince us to do what they want us to do without having to force us into doing it. And they've already figured out how to do that. And we play along because it seems very plausible and it excites us with its empty possibilities and we buy the houses and cars that we don't need and get sucked onto that mouse-wheel trap of working and working to keep up with our bills which, in the end, serves them not us. And all the while we believe we are doing it for our own sake. It seems to me a flaw in premise to say they would upset a system that is already working for them perfectly. It seems more likely that they would refine it through a medium like facebook which, with its reliance on friends and keeping friends aware of what you are doing at all times, enforces conformity, and thus the system that serves them. This could be why someone like me might eventually piss them off. Because I'm not calling for some revolt or rebellion, which would be very easy to discredit and snuff out, but I'm just making people aware they are not working for themselves, but participating in a system that is using them. If people really understood this and stop participating their control would come crashing down. But people much more persuasive and gifted than me have gone about this task of enlightening and have gotten virtually nowhere. Krishnamurti was a world teacher who talked about this and spoke on a weekly basis all over the world for decades. From the 1920s through the 1980s. He was quite famous and considered the sage of his time and he didn't really make any difference on a large scale. I think really breaking down their grip can only happen at the individual level. I have no illusions and I'm not here to pick a fight with those people. I only write about these things because I've noticed them and sometimes it makes me sick at heart to see people suffering needlessly by living for those people when all the have to do to be happy is walk away from it. In the end you may be right, but I don't really think it makes any difference if you are or not. The system will continue as it is. To fight it or try to change it is only "making reforms inside the prison" as Krishnamurti put it. True freedom is in your head and heart. You find it there and even if they stick you in prison you are still free. You are untouchable then. That's the kind of freedom I'm after. I wish you well, my friend, but in the end your path is not my path. We may end up at the same destination but we're going to get there different ways. I actually think that's cool.


You understand the system of control and methods of manipulations much more than I first realized. What your doing is great. And I said that when I first met you on myspace. I agree with pretty much everything you said there. The thing is more and more people are waking up thanks to the individual efforts of Krishnamurti, you, and me. The awakening is exponential. This threatens their system because once a large enough number of people become aware of this truth, their power which is nothing more than an illusion, will dissapear. They know this, and that is why they attack the truth so much. Like 9/11 for example. They will do anything to keep their power and they are getting desperate. That is why they are drugging us and poisoning us and preach population reduction so much. That is why they want war and chaos to distract. Your bills, your mortgage, your job, they are designed destractions and stresses. Everything is designed to keep you stressed and worried. They only want the most conformed and drugged slave society. They want to make you love your servitude. Anyone who doesnt fit into that picture needs to go to ensure the survival of the system. They understand this and that is why a global government to enforce the rules is so important. That is why they are preparing World War 3 and economic collapse. That is why you must be ready for just about anything.

John Dishwasher

We understand each other. And, as I said, we are acting on our understanding in different ways. If I can ever achieve that total freedom I will definitely be ready for anything. In the meantime I hover over that border between indifference and compassion. I could not live the way I live without indifference. And I would not write the things I write were it not for compassion. This has been an interesting conversation. Peace.