God and Humans

(Busting Roscoe)

Cheyenne

What does "peace of mind" mean to you?

Undeclared

Same thing as "piece of ass" 'cept more sexy. =P

Roscoe

Bhagavad Gita 2.70
apuryamanam acala_pratishtham
samudram apah pravishanti yadvat
tadvat kama yam pravishanti sarve
sa shantim apnoti na kama_kami

Translation:

A person who is not disturbed by the incessant flow of desires_that enter like rivers into the ocean, which is ever being filled but is always still_can alone achieve peace, and not the man who strives to satisfy such desires.

Cheyenne

What do you desire, Roscoe?

Roscoe

I desire love of God, Cheyenne.

Cheyenne

Is this desire also incessant, interminable, unquenchable and forever unsatisfied?

Roscoe

Well, we are after all, eternal. I guess we have to take it from there.

Cheyenne

Is it possible to live and have no desire? To experience no want? To know perpetual contentment?

Whiskas

What about a person who is not disturbed by the incessant flow of desires and satisfies them without "striving" to do so?

Roscoe

Yes, Whiskas you have understood, once again showing how the absolute truth transcends limited material conceptualizing.

Undeclared

Rosc, I hope that you site more passages. I think I would enjoy discussing them.

Roscoe

OK, Undeclared. Here's the entire Bhagavad-gita. As it is.

Corrine

I have a feeling this is going to end badly for one of you and well for another...

Undeclared

Roscoe, That does not meet the parameters of my request. But hey, I HAVE read The Book of Mormon! To aviod having to actually site any references I make to it from now on Sorry if that undermines any OTHER conversation I obviously DON'T want to have but keep chirping about for no real reason at all.

If you feel the Vedas applicable to a conversation please site how. I'm not going to read a book just to validate a statement or reference that YOU make to them. It's not my position to accommodate your world view, and if you want people to take the wisdoms of you tome as applicable then the responsibility falls on you to prove it.

Simply repeating "The Vedas talk about this", "It's all in the Vedas", "The Vedas say something similar" WITHOUT ACTUALLY SITING HOW, does not inspire an interest in them, but does serve to bring your sincerity, credibility, and knowledge into question. I'm not going to read your book for you dude, sorry I'm just not.

But from here on in if you're going to refer to them please make a case for why you feel they're applicable. Honestly Rosc, sometimes I feel we're on the verge of a decent conversation only to discover that you have no interest in exchanging anything at all.

Cheyenne

You know the Vedas cover this sort of thing at great length.

Undeclared

So I hear...

Roscoe

Hearing is the first requirement.

Cheyenne

Will you hear the call? Will you see the truth? Will you awaken to the realization?

Roscoe

Most people in Western culture have learned to fear God. If there's a hurricane, tornado, flood, etc. and people are dying left and right, it's called an "act of God". The Vedas help us understand a kind and loving God. That's more worthwhile.

Howdy Doody

noit isnt

Cheyenne

The bible tells of a God who is a bad ass, angry mo'fo' who'll smite your ass hard if you don't do as he wishes.

Roscoe

yesitis

Undeclared

For one to hear the other must actually speak smart ass. a swift punch

Cheyenne

the typical reply to this: you're not listening.

Roscoe

What if love of God actually made all the other love in our life more worthwhile and meaningful? Unfortunately most people have been trained to fear God.

Cheyenne

Who, do you believe is training them this way? ....and why?

Corrine

Oh, c'mon Cheyenne! Are you really telling me that you've never heard this before?

Cheyenne

Do you know what Roscoe will say?

Corrine

Prolly the same thing?

Cheyenne

nope. he'll say that the Christians should teach their children to love god, not fear him, even though Hinduism tells us that the poor people did it to themselves in a past life they can't remember and we should ignore those people, except to throw rocks and mud at them whilst they try and scrape by on their meager existence.

sorry Rosco, couldn't help it. you know you're my favorite anyway. but i really hate that shit.

Corrine

Sounds the same, except for the hinduism part?

Roscoe

You really need to visit India. The disconnect between what it's actually like here and how people imagine it to be due to heavy and fierce indoctrination is quite remarkable.

Throb

yet if God himself were to tell you directly and there was no doubt at all from where the commandment came, could you or would you then follow perfectly? for you would be without excuse! I see this as Grace!

Corrine

yet if the Gods themselves were to tell you directly and there was no doubt at all from where the Wiccan Rede came, could you or would you then follow perfectly? for you would be without excuse! I see this as Grace!

yet if Krinsha himself were to tell you directly and there was no doubt at all from where the Vedas came, could you or would you then follow perfectly? for you would be without excuse! I see this as Grace!

Etc, etc.

Whats your point?

Undeclared

THROB SAID: "yet if God himself were to tell you directly and there was no doubt at all from where the commandment came, could you or would you then follow perfectly? for you would be without excuse! I see this as Grace!"

Oh, I'm sorry. Did you want me to qualify this with a response? Before I go on to answer your question... I'd like for you to answer mine: What was the topical nature of my remark to Roscoe? And how does your question offer anything along the lines of continuity? Please, I'd really weally like to know.....

On a completely unrelated note: Can you, Throb, quote any of the Vedas?

Also, something else that's completely interrelated, did you know that a psychologists test a subjects capacity for linear event retention and the contextual expressive mechanism to determine weather or not they are mentally challenged?

Welcome to the conversation Throb.

Corrine

LOLOLOL